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Post by reshacker on Mar 29, 2018 21:05:34 GMT
Thanks Sepiana. You're right about the Levels tool. They are the same in each version. As for the B/C tool, it has definitely changed since v2. For me, NOT for the better. Maybe the full PS has a feature to address this but as usual PSE is crippled to some extent. At least I can still get the results I need. Coming up from v2 there's a lot of changes to learn.
Thanks again for all your help!
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Post by Major Major on Mar 29, 2018 21:51:58 GMT
I do not have the same experience as you, reshacker. The brightness/contrast tool works fine. And I can't imagine that Adobe would have made any change to this tool that would make it work as you describe. Sorry you seem to be having problems with it.
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 29, 2018 22:21:31 GMT
Thanks Sepiana. You're right about the Levels tool. They are the same in each version. As for the B/C tool, it has definitely changed since v2. For me, NOT for the better. Maybe the full PS has a feature to address this but as usual PSE is crippled to some extent. At least I can still get the results I need. Coming up from v2 there's a lot of changes to learn. Thanks again for all your help! reshacker, you are most welcome! Glad to help.
As I explained in my previous post, the changes Adobe made in the Brightness/Contrast tool related to improving its performance. I don't really understand why you cannot get the results you need in PSE 2018. Here is something to keep in mind about the B/C tool. It has its limitations; it works really well if you are making only very subtle changes to fix exposure problems. If you have a photo which is poorly exposed, the general advice seems to be to use other tools such as Levels and Shadows/Highlights. These tools are much more powerful; they can do much more than the B/C tool.
Yes, it was a big jump coming from PSE 2. But you can do it. I believe in you!
And as you have learnt by now, help is only one post away. Just post and we will come to the rescue. You can also take advantage of Photoshop Elements 2018 -- Resources.
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Post by Bailey on Mar 29, 2018 22:36:53 GMT
His again reshaker,
I totally agree with Major Major. The two tools work just fine and the way they should imho.
I explained the reason behind the purplish pixels you were getting and why the lighter green weren't changing when you darkened the green channel in Levels. The Levels tool works as it should. It is a very powerful function in adjusting image tones. It is especially powerful in that the ability to adjust the black, grey and white points of individual RGB channels offers tremendous control and options when restoring old faded photos back to their original colours (or at least extremely close) via scanning them.
One point of clarification. Using the Output Levels in Levels will reset the black and white points of an image. For example, if for some reason you don't want true blacks and/or whites in an image you can adjust the Output levels black and white sliders to reset the minimum black and maximum white points...ie reset the black 0 tonal value to say 10 or whatever and the 255 white tonal value to 245 or whatever. This will reduce the tonal range and hence contrast of the image and compress all the original tonal values to between your new min and max values.
Overall, once you get used to PSE 2018, I would very surprised if you don't find it much improved overall when compared to pse 2.
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 29, 2018 23:07:50 GMT
I do not have the same experience as you, reshacker. The brightness/contrast tool works fine. And I can't imagine that Adobe would have made any change to this tool that would make it work as you describe. Craig, neither do I. I have 8 versions of PSE, installed on two computers; I don't experience what reshacker describes. Furthermore, the changes Adobe made in this tool (PSE 7?) should not cause this problem; these changes were just performance-enhancing ones.
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Post by reshacker on Mar 30, 2018 1:47:12 GMT
Its very doubtful any of you will understand my issue if you dont have or use PSE v2 from 1999. The two pics in my post above should be more than enough to show whats going on. I've learned what I came here to learn so for me case is closed.
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Post by Bailey on Mar 30, 2018 2:01:51 GMT
Its very doubtful any of you will understand my issue if you dont have or use PSE v2 from 1999. The two pics in my post above should be more than enough to show whats going on. I've learned what I came here to learn so for me case is closed. To me it's very clear now what is going on. Earlier you posted There is nothing strange in that at all. That is EXACTLY what is supposed to happen as I described why/how earler. The Levels function is working as it should. If it was doing something different in v2, then I am very happy Adobe fixed it somewhere between v2 and v7 (my first version of pse). |
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Post by reshacker on Mar 30, 2018 2:27:06 GMT
Levels arent the issue. I understand now and as I said, they are the same in all versions. The difference is with v2's Brightness/Contrast. In v2018 I have to use the Levels tool to get what I used to get with B/C in v2.
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 30, 2018 2:57:27 GMT
Levels arent the issue. I understand now and as I said, they are the same in all versions. The difference is with v2's Brightness/Contrast. In v2018 I have to use the Levels tool to get what I used to get with B/C in v2. reshacker,
I understood all the way along that the issue is not with Levels but with Brightness/Contrast. And, as I said earlier, the changes Adobe made in Brightness/Contrast were just performance-enhancing.
I am quite intrigued by this issue. You shouldn't have to use Levels in PSE 2018 to get what you got with Brightness/Contrast in PSE 2. Something is not clicking. I have been checking the Adobe Photoshop Elements forums. There are lots of reports about Brightness/Contrast not behaving as it should. Unfortunately, they are about earlier versions of Elements. I am still looking for such reports concerning PSE 2018.
Now I am really wondering if there is something going on with PSE 2018 (a bug?). I don't know how you feel about further pursuing this issue but I would strongly recommend you take the ball to the Adobe field. If this is indeed some kind of bug, they need to know. You can post on either one of the forums below.
feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_photoshop_elements
forums.adobe.com/community/photoshop_elements
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Post by Bailey on Mar 30, 2018 2:57:32 GMT
Levels arent the issue. I understand now and as I said, they are the same in all versions. The difference is with v2's Brightness/Contrast. In v2018 I have to use the Levels tool to get what I used to get with B/C in v2. This is inconsistent with what you posted earlier To make the 2nd image look like the 1st one in v2018 I have to add a 2nd layer, fill the entire layer with black, and reduce transparency to 75%. This is the first time you mentioned using Levels to get the image to look as in v2. Previously you said you used a "translucent layer". What have I missed or misunderstood? Anyway, you have my explanation of how adjusting individual rgb channels in Levels affects pixels, so nothing changes if you now say you are using Levels to get what you had in v2. The Brightness/Contrast adjustments are working fine and as they should in my pse 14. When you posted I interpreted this as Levels being a separate issue to the Brightness/Contrast issue and replied accordingly with my explanation of why this is happening. |
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Post by reshacker on Mar 30, 2018 4:00:00 GMT
Sorry for that confusion, Bailey.
Your B/C may well be working properly. My experience is it behaves differently in v2.
Levels and layers methods I described are two different ways to get the same effect.
I still use v2 because it has some features the later versions took away.
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Post by fotofrank on Mar 30, 2018 4:22:18 GMT
It is possible that the old B/C tool (as it is now being called) did impact all parts of the image. With the addition of Highlights and Shadows as the video you are watching pointed out, B/C tool now impacts mid-tones and not highlights and shadows. I don't think that I have ever told anyone, or heard anyone say an image lacks or has to much brightness. Exposure, Highlights, Shadows those items I have heard before.  |
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 30, 2018 5:01:47 GMT
It is possible that the old B/C tool (as it is now being called) did impact all parts of the image. With the addition of Highlights and Shadows as the video you are watching pointed out, B/C tool now impacts mid-tones and not highlights and shadows. Frank,
WOW! I believe you are onto something here. Two different commands -- Brightness/Contrast and Shadows/Highlights.
The video is about Shadows/Highlights. -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-N640_WuU
reshacker is talking about Brightness/Contrast. His screen shot shows the dialog box for Brightness/Contrast -- www.photoshopelementsandmore.com/post/43184
You may have just solved the mystery of what is happening concerning PSE 2018. Thanks for coming to the rescue!
Hopefully reshacker will come back here to read this.
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Post by Bailey on Mar 30, 2018 5:23:40 GMT
Sorry for that confusion, Bailey. Your B/C may well be working properly. My experience is it behaves differently in v2. Levels and layers methods I described are two different ways to get the same effect. I still use v2 because it has some features the later versions took away. No problem reshaker  Best wishes for your climb up the v2 --> 2018 learning curve. I hope it doesn't become too steep and that you end up enjoying v2018. |
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Post by reshacker on Mar 30, 2018 5:50:44 GMT
I believe fotofrank is right. I also read somewhere that the full version of PS has a checkbox in B/C for "legacy" images to correct for the differences in images edited in older PS versions.
I left a question in Adobes forum so will wait if I get a reply.
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